Abduction Digest, Number 80 Sunday, December 6th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Smoke detectors Close Encounter group Stats Delaware talk Linda case Abduction Help Stats Close Encounter group Close Encounter group 1/2 Close Encounter group 2/2 RI Help 9:1012/0 Linda Case Re: Stats Linda Case ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William.Phillips@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (William Phillips) Subject: Smoke detectors Date: 26 Nov 92 10:50:00 GMT Dr. Jacobs, sa saw on Prodigy today in one of the religion BBS areas, some person who seemed to think dreams he was having were possibly related to abductions. The unusual thing is, this person claims everytime he has such a dream, he awakens to the smoke alarm going off. Type of alarm was not specified, though the descriptions of the dream seemed not unrelated to the phenomena as reported by Hopkins, you and others. I read SECRET LIFE in detail, especially alternative explanations and the how-to-prevent abductions section. Of course, your conclusion from the evidence was that abductions are not preventable. But--anecdotal as the mention on Prodigy was--could there be some kind of linkage? Putting 2 and 2 together to get 15, could the dreamer be in some kind of fugue state and influenced by popular UFO reportage AND by some toxic substance in the air, sensed by the smoke sniffer? Or could there be some alien atmospheric disturbance (in the blue light, etc.) which could set off the alarm? Not many facts here, but... Enjoy your work, especially the rigor. Thanks. -- William Phillips - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: William.Phillips@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.S..Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael S. Carter) Subject: Close Encounter group Date: 29 Nov 92 00:03:00 GMT Bob, My name is Michael S. Carter, Investigator for MOFON Oklahoma and editor of the OK MUFONews. I have an abductee visiting from Rhode Island who was involved in a multiple witness abduction as a child in 1965. Others of the group have undergone regress and therapy for the abduction but this one person has not and is having a terrible time handling the stresses of possible ongoing scenarios. Do you know of anyone in this area that is doing regression/therapy work with whom I could put her in contact? They must be caring, compassionate and knowlegeable of the abduction phenomenon. My visitor lives alone and has no transportation. Perhaps someone might be interested enough to meet her close or travel a short distance to their home. I/d appreciate any assistance you could provide. As an abductee myself, I well know how it feels to be utterly alone with no one to express yourself to. Thanks much. -- Michael S. Carter - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.S..Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Carter) Subject: Stats Date: 29 Nov 92 21:50:00 GMT Hi Jeff. In response to whether there is a statistical database of abduction stories, I can tell you that Budd Hopkins adn David M. Jacobs are putting together a compendium of as many abduction case reports and their specifics as they can get their hands on. They have made an open request of MUFON to supply them with whatever they can. You're right, this should go a long way in consolidating into one source accounts which can then be studied in relation to all other reports on file. As an abductee myself, I'm anxious for this work to be completed. About abductee stories. There many cases where abductees DO have at least partial conscious recall--some more than others. I for one did have at least partial recall. However, hypnotic regression uncovered much more than the remembered parts. I believe this to be the norm in most cases. Talk to you soon. Michael S. Carter OK MUFON I -- Michael Carter - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.S..Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael S. Carter) Subject: Delaware talk Date: 29 Nov 92 21:58:01 GMT Mr. Jacobs, I am an investigator for Oklahoma MUFON and the editor of the OK MUFON NEws. I have a person visiting from Rhode Island who was part of a multiple witness abduction back in 1965. Others of the group have had their cases investigated and have undergone therapy and regression about the event. The Rhode Islander has found no one in her area that she can turn to, however. She has contacted the MUFON SSD in the area but is not comfortable with him. SHe seems to be having quite a bad time of coping with the possibility of ongoing abductions since that time. Although she has not made a conscious decision as to the cause of the several events in question, she is seeking help in dealing with them--A lot of anxiety of being alone and trouble sleeping. Can you direct me to a competent mental health professional who would be interested in taking on such a case. They should be located in or near Providence Rhode Island. I and (Cheryl) would be eternally grateful. As an abductee myself, I am quite aware of the isolation and frustration of not having someone to speak with. Thanks much. -- Michael S. Carter - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.S..Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Linda case Date: 30 Nov 92 00:47:00 GMT DJ> Don, Linda's case, in my estimation, is rock solid. DJ> This is a multileveled case involving a series of DJ> witnesses to the complex events within it. Budd Hopkins DJ> will have a piece come out in the next MUFON UFO Journal DJ> about one of the witnesses which, I think, will help to DJ> alleviate some of the anxiety about this case. Thanks for the response David..sorry about the delay in answering. I have serious questions as to Hopkin's data on the case and whether or not it can be independently verified. Has he shown you anything that would "hold up in court" ? A recent buzz is that "Dan" (one of the security officers) is no where to be found. If this case is so rock solid as we've been led to believe then WHY does it take some one like a George Hansen to get people asking hard questions? I noted that Jerome Clark answered _none_ of Hansen's questions but was content instead to attack Hansen personally. That's not the mark of a serious professional (IMHO) and I must question aspects of this case that just don't seem to add up and I'm forced to continue asking, "Where's the beef" ? Don -- Don Allen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Carter@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Carter) Subject: Abduction Help Date: 2 Dec 92 02:31:00 GMT Dr. JAcobs, I am a MUFON Investigator for the state of OK and I am searching desperately to find a qualified mental health professional in the Rhode Island Area for a young woman who was involved in a multiple witness abduction scenario in 1965. Since then several others in the group have sought help and have had this case documented. At least some of them have had ongoing event. This particular person (Cheryl) can find no one in her part of the country in which to confide in and receive therapy. She is having much trouble sleeping and having anxieties about being alone. She most probably has had ongoing abduction events. Can you help in referring Cheryl and I to a properly qualified researcher who is willing to take on a case such as this? We'd appreciate any advice or contact that you could give -- Michael Carter - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Carter@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Scott Colborn) Subject: Stats Date: 2 Dec 92 03:47:53 GMT Hello Jeff. In response to your questions regarding the abduction mystery, you may wish to read the Journal of the Fortean Research Center (The Fortean Research Center, P.O. Box 94627, Lincoln, NE, 68509, $3.50 each plus $1.25 postage), specifically Volume 5, Numbers 1 & 2. In these Journals are a number of articles written by myself and others on the specifics and generalities of abduction and close encounter reports. In these articles written by myself, I argue that it's not just one item, instance, or "strange occurance" that labels something as an "abduction." Rather, one must make an evaluation based on a number of factors. As we begin to recognize specific factors that seem to occur in a number of abduction and contact reports, we can begin to establish criteria for what is and what is not an abduction or contact. At the same time, we must strive to remain "open" to data that doesn't seem to fit individual researchers' points-of-view or reject a report because it hasn't occured in other reports. Only by looking at each specific case, and the information within each report, can we begin to understand what the abduction experience really is. And just as importantly, researchers must also look at how the person making the report has been impacted, changed, or affected by the experience(s). In closing, you may wish to read Dr. Jacob's book among others as a good source of information on the abduction and contact issue. Best wishes, Scott Colborn, Director, The Fortean Research Center. -- Scott Colborn - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Scott Colborn) Subject: Close Encounter group Date: 2 Dec 92 03:56:23 GMT Hello Michael. Just read your message to my friend and colleague Bob Dunn regarding your interest in a therapist for a friend desiring regression work. As I'm not sure of what "locale" you are interested in, I'll just say that we have an excellent pschologist in the Lincoln, NE, area who is interested in close encounters. Additionally, we have a psychiatrist who can provide medical assistance. Should you be interested in them, please contact me care of the board, or call 402-421-1701, 1-7 pm, Monday-Friday. If it's the Oklahoma area you are looking in (for a therapist), I'm sure that Jean Waller can help you "down there." Best wishes, Scott Colborn, Director, The Fortean Research Center. P.S...saw part of the OU/NE football game...looked a lot closer than the final score. OU will be back next year, I'm sure. -- Scott Colborn - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob.Dunn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Dunn) Subject: Close Encounter group 1/2 Date: 2 Dec 92 07:10:00 GMT MSC>. Do you know of anyone in this area that is doing regression/therapy work MSC>with whom I could put her in contact? They must be caring, compassionate Hi Michael, I found this list of therapists currently working with abductees on another network. I hope it will be of some help for you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following list was taken (without permission but strictly in the non-commercial interest of promoting expedited theraputic intervention) from the book titled Encounters: A Psychologist Reveals Evidence of Contact With Extraterrestrials, Edith Fiore, Ph.D., (c) 1989 Edith Fiore, Ph.D. - Published by Doubleday - a Division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc., 666 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10103. ISBN: 0-385-26236-1 Hypnotherapists Working With Abductees/Contactees (pg. 339 - Appendix) Aphrodite Clamar, Ph.D. 30 E. 60th St., Suite 1107 New York, NY 10022 (212) 988-8042 Beverly J. Carter 4491 South Yates Denver, CO 80236 (303) 794-7626 Ann Druffel 257 Sycamore Glen Pasadena, CA 91105 (213) 256-8655 Stephen Field, Pd.D. 800 Oak Grove, Suite 207 Menlo Park, CA 94025 (415) 325-4678 Edith Fiore, Ph.D. 20688 Fourth St., Saratoga, CA 95070 (408) 867-1100 Josie Hadley 2443 Ash St., Suite D Pala Alto, CA 94306 (415) 321-6419 Richard Haines, Ph.D. PO Box 880 Los Altos, CA 94023-0880 Tisha Hallet 450 San Antonio Rd., Suite 27 Palo Alto, CA 94036 (415) 857-0638 James Harder, Ph.D. 2800 Hilgard St. Berkeley, CA 94709 (415) 848-6043 Barbara Levy, Ph.D. 317 Eureka St. San Francisco, CA 94114 (415) 826-2250 (415) 751-3971 Linda Marie Martin 152 Olive Springs Rd. Soquel, CA 95073 (408) 479-3493 Jeffrey Mishlove, Ph.D. 48 St. Francis La. San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 456-2532 Raymond Moody, M.D. 205 Tanner St. Carrolton, GA 30117 (404) 834-6393 Sharon Moss, Ph.D. 2947 Eastmoreland Oregon, OH 43616 (419) 691-4926 Jean Mundy, Ph.D 33 Windward East Hampton, NY 11937 (516) 267-8896 and 105 West 13th St. New York, NY 10011 (212) 741-1278 June Parnell, Ph.D. 2219 Rainbow Ave., Laramie, WY 82070 (307) 742-3394 Alice Rose, Ph.D. 4651 Roswell Rd., Suite I-8013 Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 255-7051 Patricia Shaw, Ph.D. 225 S. Meramec Ave., Suite 506 St. Louis, MO 63105 (314) 863-3588 Richard Sigismund 1557 9th St., Boulder, CO 80302 (303) 447-9170 June Steiner 987 University Ave., Suite 6 Los Gatos, CA 95030 (408) 395-9209 Jo Stone, MFCC PO Box 2828 Los Angeles, CA 90078 Sue Street, Ph.D. University of South Florida St. Petersburg Campus 140 7th. Ave. South St. Petersburg, FL 33701 (813) 893-9129 Keith Thompson PO Box 5055 Mill Valley, CA 94942 (415) 388-9008 >>> Continued to next message -- Bob Dunn - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bob.Dunn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob.Dunn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Dunn) Subject: Close Encounter group 2/2 Date: 2 Dec 92 07:10:00 GMT >>> Continued from previous message Mary Ellen Trahan, Ph.D. 205 Tanner St. Carrolloton, GA 30117 (404) 834-6393 Norma Triggs 10 Willow Creek Richardson, TX 75080 Thomas J. Zinser, Ed.D. 2041 Raybrook SE Grand Rapids, MI 49506 (616) 957-3168 ============= End of List ======================= -- Bob Dunn - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bob.Dunn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: RI Help Date: 3 Dec 92 08:10:46 GMT I'm sorry to say that I do not know of anyone in the Providence area. The best I can do right now is to refer her to John Mack at Harvard Medical School, or Susan Fox in Boston. The problem is that we simply do not have enough people around the country who are able to do this type of work. Budd Hopkins and I are trying to alleviate the situation by holding workshops for mental health professionals to educate them about the properties of the abduction phenomenon, hypnosis of abductees, and even therapeutic techniques for abductees. So far we have conducted two workshops, one in New York, and one in Los Angeles. Our next will either be in Atlanta or Texas. It's going to take a while but we hope to have at least one qualified individual in each major city. I understand the pressure that she must be under and I sympathize with her problem. I run across these situations on a daily basis. I feel frustrated and powerless. Perhaps there is some way that she can get to Mack or Fox. If I do find anyone I will alert you immediately. In the meantime, hold on. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: 9:1012/0 Date: 3 Dec 92 08:12:32 GMT Mike, I'll be glad to help out in any way I can. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Linda Case Date: 3 Dec 92 08:31:22 GMT The best that I can say is that when Budd completes his ongoing investigation of this complex and extraordinarily important case you will all be able to judge for yourselves whether Hansen has asked hard questions. Hold tight. Give Budd the benefit of the doubt. Hansen knows very little about this case. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff.Brewi@p0.f812.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jeff Brewi) Subject: Re: Stats Date: 3 Dec 92 14:50:56 GMT MC> at least partial conscious recall--some more than others. I for one MC> did have at least partial recall. However, hypnotic regression MC> uncovered much more than the remembered parts. I believe this to be MC> the norm in most cases. Talk to you soon. Michael S. Carter OK MUFON I On the parts that you could consciously recall, were those parts in great detail, or were they vague, sort of dreamlike, and if the conscious recall was vague, did the hypnotic regression bring those parts out with greater detail? Thanks for your response including that you've been abducted and had partial recall, trying to figure out if people who have some recall, but it is vague, if it is valid. Jeff -- Jeff Brewi - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Brewi@p0.f812.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Linda Case Date: 5 Dec 92 08:33:00 GMT In response to Don Allen's inquiry about the Linda Napolitano case, Dr. Jacobs replied as follows: + The best that I can say is that when Budd completes his + ongoing investigation of this complex and extraordinarily + important case you will all be able to judge for + yourselves whether Hansen has asked hard questions. Hold + tight. Give Budd the benefit of the doubt. Hansen knows + very little about this case. Prof. Jacobs: Hansen's "hard questions" (read that: Hard *ON*) aside, some good questions have been raised about this case. I'm just wondering whether "Hold tight" means: "Spend $20 on the book before you make up your mind", (as in the Ed Walters case). Can we expect an article by Budd in some "free" venue (such as the _IUR_ or _MUFON UFO Journal_) or does "open mindedness" require a book purchase (again)? -- John -- John Burke - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions abduct@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests abduct-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/abduct Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom ********************End**of**the**Abduction**Newsletter************************